Whilst chatting away with Ian Smith (@GrindertraderUK) at the Master Investor Show, somehow we got onto the subject of Level2 and Ian casually slipped into the conversation something along the lines of saying Level2 only gives you pretty much the same timing information that you can get by reading small timeframe Candlesticks - I got the impression 15 minute or 30 minute Candles would do the trick.
The beauty of this is that Level2 can be pretty expensive and also very complicated to understand - whereas you can get short timeframe Candlestick Charts for free (this might be as part of your Broker Platform or perhaps you can find this on a free Charting Website - I looked on http://www.ADVFN.com and I have been able to get as little as 5 minute Candles for free) and because Candles are ‘fractal’ in nature, they work the same on any Timeframe - a Hammer is a Hammer whether it is 15 minutes, 1 day or 1 month - it’s just that on the shorter timeframes they are less predictive - this is why 15 or 30 minutes might be the best timeframes to use.
Here is a ScreenShot from ADVFN.com showing 15 minute Candles for ARM that I generated quickly as an example:
Just to give an idea of how it might work in practice, on the above Chart there are 2 Reversal Signals that I spotted very quickly. Firstly if you look at about 14.30 (2.30pm) you should see a big Green Up Candle - and note how this ‘engulfs’ the Red Candle just before - and clearly this was a ‘Bullish Engulfing Candle’ as the Price rose afterwards. Secondly, if you look at about 16.00 (4pm) then you should see a ‘Shooting Star’ kind of Doji which was then followed by a Doji Candle at 16.15 (4.15pm) - this is probably indicating a fall is likely.
You will need to experiment and find a suitable timeframe for your needs - I think Ian told me that he uses 5 minute Candles sometimes and switches to 10 minutes, 15 minutes and 30 minutes etc. - the point is that it should just fine tune any Intraday Buys or Sells and is a shed load cheaper than Level 2 !! This could have considerable value for me. At present, when I have a Trade to execute, the usual sequence of events is that I have decided the night before that I want to Buy or Sell a particular Stock, and then on the following morning I tend to execute it pretty early on - often around 9am when the Market has been open for a while and the crazy wide spreads of first thing have calmed down. I tend to do the Trades straightaway because I usually have other things I want (or have) to do during the day and I do not want to be looking at my Screen all day and trying to ‘time’ the Trade - it is all too stressful and irritating. On days when I do not have much else on to distract me, I could use the Candlesticks on perhaps a 15 or 30 minute interval to enable me to ‘read’ what is happening with the Intraday Price moves and perhaps enable me to get a lower Price when Buying or a higher Price when Selling. I suspect that 30 minutes will suffice but it might be that this is too ‘slow’ and I would be better off using 15 minutes - I would guess that much shorter than this will be far too ‘noisy’ and unpredictable. In addition, if the Charting Package allows, it might be possible to use other simple Overlays like MACD, RSI, etc. But as usual, I wouldn’t get carried away down this track - KISS (Keep It Simple Stockshifter). I do not know enough about Level2 to understand if this is a perfect replacement for Level2 or not - I suspect that regular users of Level2 are able to discern certain timing signals from Volumes being transacted and the Orders stacking up in the System, however, it would probably help with Intraday timing nonetheless. Anyway, it is an interesting idea and I will try and give it a go in coming Weeks - thanks Ian. Regards, WD. PS. If you are struggling with the concept of Candlestick Charting, then get a copy of ‘Candlestick Charting for Dummies’ from Wheelie’s Bookshop - it is easy enough to understand and it's cheap as chips.
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DavR0s
25/5/2016 08:30:57 pm
Hi, I have used l2 quite a lot when we have been in strong bull market and I might be doing 4/5 trades a week but cancelled sub in Jan as don't want to trade that much given market conditions. Think I was paying £25/month which isn't cheap but I reckon it more than saved me from rushing into trades or deciding I need to trade quickly. Not a guarantee but if I see very few orders on bid/ask side it does allow me to get a slightly better price or avoiding trading if there are large number of orders stacked up. Still use price action too. I'll likely subscribe again when we are in full bull market - unlikely this year!
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WheelieDealer
26/5/2016 09:45:32 pm
Hi DavR0s - that's interesting to know - for someone like yourself who can trade quite a lot when in the mood, it probably makes good sense to use L2 and I know a lot of people do use it very effectively. For people with smaller pots or who are just plain tight like me, using the Intraday Candles could well help get the timing a bit sharper.
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catflap
25/5/2016 10:51:19 pm
Pretty good tip.
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WheelieDealer
26/5/2016 09:47:21 pm
Hi catflap - glad you liked the idea - it is certainly something that might help the timing. As for poorly timed Phone Calls, there is no solution - apart from going back to the old Bean Tins and String telephony network !!
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Zyg Suzin
26/5/2016 12:44:05 am
Thanks WD. I didn't know that I can get that level of charting in ADVFN as in the app for iPAD the chart is small and a little cumbersome? I shall now look directly on their website. I do however, use charts in IG for my indices trading. My timeframe is normally set to 5 minutes but I regularly take a longer term view @15 min and @60 min. to take stock of the direction
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WheelieDealer
26/5/2016 09:51:31 pm
Hi Zyg, thanks for the comments - very useful. I wrote the Blog and first off just said "oh, you can probably find a free Charting Website" - then I decided to look and went straight to ADVFN.com and found I could get what I wanted no problem. I was thinking about how closely the charts on IGindex tie up - I am guessing they should be very similar. Interesting you use them for your Index Daytrades - I would guess the 5 minute ones are a bit too tight a timeframe but give you a first hint that something is about to Reverse or whatever.
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Steve Hollingsworth
28/5/2016 04:37:57 pm
Hi Wheelie, very interesting idea. I suspect it works better on bigger more liquid shares. The more liquidity the lower the timeframe you can go to before the chart gets all gappy etc. Do please update on how you get on with using intraday and if you find it makes much difference. I have found with inedices that even going down to a one minute timeframe helps with fine tuning entry points.
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WheelieDealer
31/5/2016 06:31:45 pm
Hi Steve, thanks for the feedback. You're right I reckon, it will be a lot more useful on Liquid Stocks - I find with much of the small illiquid stuff they often just do one move during the day and then stay there !! As you have found on Indexes, it could well be that on highly liquid FTSE100 stuff then small timeframes could help the timing a lot.
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